For those of you who tuned into Midnight in the Desert to listen to me discuss the latest MJ-12 document release, well, I was bumped early in the evening because Heather Wade had “overbooked the show.” At least I wasn’t dragged off by security for refusing to give up my place at the microphone… which couldn’t have happened since I was at home and she controlled the telephone system anyway.
But I did listen to the beginning of the program because like so many others, I wondered what Stan Friedman would say about the authenticity. Like many of us, he was interested in the source of the documents. They had seemed to excite him in earlier statements, but he now was somewhat more neutral though a careful reading of them should have given away the false nature of them... The mere mention that the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) was involved should have been a huge red flag. The IPU has been identified and it has nothing to do with aliens or UFOs or anything of the nature. For more about the IPU see:
I found one point hilarious and which nearly everyone has failed to mention. The first page says, “READ-AND-DESTROY. I have to wonder how the document survived with that instruction on the first page, which also argues against authenticity. I will note here that a top secret document’s destruction must be documented saying that it has been properly destroyed. Whoever “stole” this one would have had to violate that rule because he would have had to sign the destruction form.
Heather wouldn’t name names, and in one respect I understand that but that also tends to undermine the validity of the documents. She did say that the person who “stole” them originally had died so that he or she can’t be questioned about how he or she gained possession of them.
Heather hadn’t received the originals either. They had come to her in a .pdf file, which, as I have noted in the past, does not allow for much in the way of a forensic analysis of the paper, ink or anything else that might be gained by examination of the originals. We are left with a study of the format, the font, if the documents conformed to others created at the highest-levels of the government and if the documents fit into our current understanding of the situations being discussed in them.
Instead of analysis of these latest documents on the show, we were treated to another waltz down MJ-12 memory lane from the alleged moment the original documents first arrived at Jaime Shandera’s house in 1984 to the point we have reached now. There was nothing new here, other than listening to Stan talk about all his visits to archives, and he enjoys to do so (and hey, that is fun going through all this material, looking for that single and often elusive nugget) and things he had learned about the men who were named to the original MJ-12 committee, all of which was irrelevant to understanding these new documents.
For those who haven’t looked at them yet, though they can now be accessed through a variety of websites including that for Midnight in the Desert. You can still find them here if you are still interested:
I have outlined some of the many mistakes in these documents already and find it difficult to believe that something created at this level would be so riddled with errors. I am sorely tempted to enumerate the errors in the Roswell section but will refrain from doing that. Anyone interested can take a look at Roswell in the 21st Century (or almost any of the other Roswell books) and compare the information there with that in this document. The errors will be apparent and we have to think that anyone who was far enough inside of the loop to be writing this document would be cognizant of the facts of the case.
I’m going to move onto the Aztec case which was covered in depth here. Stan had made a big deal out of the research in Scott Ramsey’s book while he was on Midnight in the Desert and how careful and meticulous it has been. But this document is at a wide variance with what Ramsey published. This sets up a conundrum… if the document is accurate, then Ramsey is wrong but if Ramsey is right, then the document is fake and I haven’t even mentioned the possibility that both are wrong and Aztec is a hoax.
According to the document, on March 25, 1948, the craft was watched on three radars “belonging to the recovery network of the White Sands Test Range and located in classified areas of southwest New Mexico.” In 1948, it was the White Sands Proving Ground, and if the radars were in southwest New Mexico, that would have prevented tracking of the object to low altitudes in northern New Mexico because the mountainous terrain would have been in the way. In fact, once you get very far north of White Sands, their radars aren’t much good for an object below 10,000 feet. Radar is line of sight.
Again, according to the document, the crash site was secured by 10:45 p.m. that night, which meant that no civilians would have been gathered at the site on the morning of March 25 to watch the military arrive because the object had yet to crash according to these new documents. And, if the civilians were on hand to see the military to arrive, it would have had to be on the morning of March 26, but then the site was already secured and the civilians would have been prevented from getting near.
We are treated to a reference to the base at Flat Rock, Nevada, which, of course, was the scene of much of the action in The Andromeda Strain. We learn that the Blue Berets (whoever they are… no, they don’t exist) came in disguised as National Guard, but I’m not sure how you pull that off since the uniforms worn by the National Guard are the same wore by those on active duty with the Army. I suppose they removed their Blue Berets and wore regulation headgear.
But there really doesn’t seem much reason to drag this out. The documents are faked. I spoke with Stephen Bassett yesterday afternoon, and almost the first thing he said to me was that he too thought the documents faked. We discussed some of the bloopers in text, the problems with the classification markings, and all the other errors. Bassett said that he didn’t think these were disinformation, but more likely just someone outside the government who had too much time on his hands. I’ll add someone who didn’t actually know much but who had gotten his hands of William Steinman’s book UFO Crash at Aztec.
What we need to do now is place these documents in the same file folder with the Roswell Slides, the alien autopsy and little grey men who like strawberry ice cream and Tibetan music. Footnotes in the great journal of UFO information, or maybe, even better, have them all deleted from anything to do with UFO research because they have only distracted us. They have added nothing to our knowledge.
'...What we need to do now is place these documents in the same file folder with the Roswell Slides, the alien autopsy and little grey men who like strawberry ice cream and Tibetan music. Footnotes in the great journal of UFO information, or maybe, even better, have them all deleted from anything to do with UFO research because they have only distracted us. They have added nothing to our knowledge.'
Very optimistic conclusion. This just in, though:
Leak Update: June 18, 2017 - Professional Government Analysts Say Alleged DIA Document “Is Not Real, But Some Content Might Be Factual.” Report upcoming.
The factual information seems to be limited to scientific advances on this planet and has nothing to do with the alleged alien visitation. The discussion about Roswell is so far off base, it's in another ball park. The information about Aztec is clearly drawn from UFO Crash at Aztec which is not exactly the ultimate resource on this or UFOs. There is nothing in this document that advances our knowledge and it is clear that it is not a very clever fake.
She “overbooked the show.”
Sorry, (I'll apologize in advance), but it looks like she cherry-picked guests who wouldn't tear the whole thing apart. I'll bet you wouldn't have been bumped if you hadn't written you post before the show...
"...But Some Content Might Be Factual..."
A favorite tool of the propagandist is: "include as many facts as possible".
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"Leak Update: June 18, 2017 - Professional Government Analysts Say Alleged DIA Document “Is Not Real, But Some Content Might Be Factual.” "
Oh dear. I recall certain MJ-12 diehards teeling us that even though the original documents are likely fakes, that portions of them "could well be true".
This is the classic cop out. Someone, like maybe Stan Friedman, Tim Good or Don Maor concedes the papers may be phony; but in order to maintain their strong pro-ET bias and keep the theme alive they have to supplement this with "but portions may still be true."
Thus they can have it both ways, and keep the ET myth alive. If you really wanted to, you could claim that, perhaps, portions of those infamous slides or of the alien autopsy film "could well be genuine".
We now have an anonymous source (but an alleged official source), via an unknown blogger, telling us, once again, that portions of a phony document still "might be factual".
So, after all, there is still some hope for these documents. Isn't that marvellous?
If you use a 16 year old DD form from '73 - as it was allegedly written in '89 - and also think that the Right to Privacy Act stands higher than Top Secret, it doesn't matter if you include as many facts as you possible can. You'll crash and burn like a bad built 1947 edition flying saucer anyway.
While it's true that good disinformation is a combination of some fact, and mostly fiction, you can't mix unproven conjectures with false information and conclude any part of the combination holds truth.
After 50 plus years or studying and researching this 70 year old subject with still no definitive answer, one must ask how can that be? There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence to support the ET hypothesis and a large pile of pure crap that serves to dismiss it. Perhaps the above subject falls into the latter as does the fiasco in Mexico. What I sometimes ponder is on who's back does the monkey of truth reside? the debunker or the believer?
A new article from me on the various, potential motivations behind the latest MJ12 documents:
For what it's worth: Don't know about any "Flat Rock Nevada" or "Camp Flat Rock Nevada" but Camp Desert Rock, NV was a very real place from 1951 to 1964. It was a staging or billeting area for troops to view atomic testing. I had a close friend who was in the Army and was there for a period of time around 1951 to view atomic tests. He just passed away and it was mentioned it in his obit. Seems the hoaxer or whomever came close on this but no cigar.
Flat Rock, Desert Rock. Just a minor mistake :)
All hat and no cattle, as they say...
Good catch, BTW.
What kind of stake do we need to kill this MJ-12 demon, anyway?
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Nick Redfern writes in his above mentioned article...
"If a hoax, the creator is probably a fantasist, a socially-challenged adult male virgin with severe halitosis, and a chronic bed-wetter.
Despite Nick's accurate description...at this point I must stress that the author of this latest MJ-12 hoax ain't me!
I'm innocent M'lud...!
I think you may have said it best in your book 'A History of UFO Crashes'.
That if 'MJ12' and any new related documents were actually meant as 'disinformation' ... whatever the hell that means now (apart from a ridiculously useful yet banal word used in ufology), it worked, keeping otherwise good investigators arguing with each other and chasing their tails.
The mere mention of MJ12 now raises my hackles and dims the information that I am about to absorb about the subject, have I become (despite my rational, truth-seeking intentions), a cynical, psuedo-sceptical, grumpy old bastard?
I'm keen to know what you think.
All the best,
“There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence to support the ET hypothesis and a large pile of pure crap that serves to dismiss it. Perhaps the above subject falls into the latter as does the fiasco in Mexico. What I sometimes ponder is on who's back does the monkey of truth reside? the debunker or the believer?”
I think the notion that there’s a “pile of evidence” supporting ET is easily challenged since what some call “evidence” is not really evidence, but conclusions drawn based on the inability to explain the few cases which remain unsolved. Most cases lack any evidence that can be evaluated other than personal testimony, which isn't sufficient to conclude aliens exist and are traveling here.
MJ12 is clearly an attempt to bridge that gap; to fill the void where no evidence exists to bolster the notion that ET is here since no conclusive (hard) evidence exists.
The monkey rests on the ET believer to “prove” their conclusions, not the skeptic or uninterested bystander. I don't recall any science that supports credible conclusions without sound evidence.
After viewing something he couldn't explain, Lowell concluded what he saw were canals on Mars and likely made by its inhabitants. He had no proof, but concluded he was correct.
We know today he was incorrect. Belief in ET visitation is the same as Lowell’s faulty conclusion - a best guess touted as truth backed by nothing that can be handled or examined conclusively.
....as part of my duties in the US Navy (1985-1989, NAS Lemoore, Ca.) I managed a small technical library, so I have some familiarity with military manuals, etc. I don't believe the MJ-12 documents so far released are authentic because they simply don't "read' like military manuals; the MJ-12 documents are poorly written and organized, not at all resembling the type stuff I worked with...
Brian, if I was not clear I apologize. When I said "a pile of pure crap" I was referring to hoaxers not legitimate skeptics who offer legitimate arguments. Of course there are many reasonable arguments to support skeptical review, the Mantell case is one. Some UFOlogists still cling to the belief that it was a true saucer, UFO, UAP whatever. I believe it was a Skyhook Balloon. So I am a skeptic, yes, but I'm not a debunker.
Where we differ is is when you say "few." Now I hate to go back and rehash history, but it is what it is. Blue Book Special Report 14, researched and published by the highly respected Battelle Memorial Institute around 1953 said that 21-1/2% couldn't be explained. In addition that 21-1/2% had the best witness and the best supporting data. Brian, that's not a few!
Since 1980 the government/Air Force has had the opportunity to produce just one page of an official document stating that the Roswell (Corona) crash was a weather balloon or as later stated, a Project Mogul balloon train. In 1994 and again in 1997 McAndrew and Weaver authored many official pages on the Roswell incident but there was not ONE official document in all of those pages that authorized the clean up of the now declassified Project Mogul on the Foster ranch. Anyone who knows anything about the military knows there would have been paperwork in 1947, certainly top secret, but still paperwork. All they would have to do is furnish that one document or documents, that surely existed if the crash was what they said it was, and Roswell would vanish in a cloud of dust. It's just that simple.
Lorrie, specifically what MJ-12 documents are you referring to?
Let me answer for him... All of them. There is not a single document, except those that are obvious retypes of legitimate documents that conform to the proper standards or regulations that were in place at the time the documents were allegedly created.
Larry: the documents that appeared in Stanton Friedman's book about MJ-12....
I appreciate your historical sentiments on the veracity of unexplained sightings. However it seems to me it's really hard to accurately quantify the actual percentage of “unexplainable” sightings based on the fact that every organization attempting to do so has used different standards to quantify their data.
Again, MJ12 is just a fake document intended to deceive, and if ET is here than why bother deceiving others to convince them he is?
So the BBSR-14 may have claimed 22% between 1953-54 but other organizations disagree.
Today some people claim an increase in sightings, but that can be deceiving unless the data is parsed well and given the proper context. No one is using the same standards or metrics.
For example there were 1,267 reported UFO sightings across Canada in 2015, the second-biggest year for unexplained activity in the last 30 years. But only 12% were classified as “unexplained.”
In 2011 MUFON reported a 67% increase in sightings, but only 5% were unexplainable.
Between 1977-2004 the French claimed 13%.
Allen Hendry at CUFOS claimed 9% unexplained, but the real meaty cases with hard evidence made up only 1.5%.
So IMHO I would say we are looking at a number that overall makes up a very small percentage of cases, probably something below 10%, and more likely less than 5%. Even with just 1% it would mean ET was visiting hundreds of times annually, that is if you want to believe it's actually ET. As far as I'm concerned, it may just be us.
The Eisenhower Briefing Document, as I have explained repeatedly, contains a fatal flaw and that is the El Indio UFO crash of 1950. The story was invented by Robert Willingham, who was neither an Air Force officer nor a fighter pilot. He first told the story in 1968 with a different set of facts including a 1948 date. It is clear that Willingham told the story to Todd Zechel who told it to Bill Moore and then it appears in the EBD... If this was truly a document created to brief then President-elect Eisenhower, it would not have contained the false information about the El Indio crash. I have posted several blogs about this and have outlined the whole sad tale in Roswell in the 21st Century. The point is, the EBD is faked, and even Stan tells us the Cutler-Twining memo was planted... he believes by agents of disinformation but I believe by the guys who found it.
Kevin i came across some very intriguing information about the MJ-12 control group in a spiral notebook called THE BLUE PLANET PROJECT that i have never heard anywhere before and since you do have MILITARY SERVICE and background, you can judge the classified information given in this book better than most other researchers could and boy is it full of COMPELLING code words, alien symbols found on crashed UFOs, why Bill Mores MJ-12 documents could not be traced or found, what the control groups name really was, alien language, and this booklet was banned from selling a few years ago until the author decided to republish it and many other books you can read in this series of books afterwards. Go to blue planet.com to check this thing out and let me know what you think of the information given in this book as i have never read before! PS.........MY BIRTHDAY IS ON JUNE 24 THE DAY OF KENNITH ARNOLDS sighting.
Understood, and thanks for the clarification.
Brian: It was not just "every organization" but the highly regarded Battelle Memorial Institute a think tank in Ohio who studied 3201 cases not from 1953 to 1954 but over many years. They were commissioned by the Air Force, Project Blue Book and Ruppelt when Blue Book had teeth. This was not some off the wall study. Have you read the depth and quality of this unbiased 2 year study?
This discussion is about the new MJ-12 documents and not about the state of UFO research or whether there is a lot of circumstantial evidence. Let's limit ourselves to that topic.
An exception. Happy birthday. But tomorrow is the anniversary of the Custer defeat on the Grassy Grass.
I’m surprised no one’s mentioned DeLonge’s ‘crew’ as likely suspects
in this = testing the waters and drumming up interest.
Your title is "A final look".
There is nothing "final" about MJ-12. As soon as you think you have got rid of it, a new and exciting chapter opens. A bit like a Laurel and Hardy film. (Well, maybe.)
No, CDA, this was a final look at that particular document.
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