This week I spoke with Rob Brun Del Re about his book, UFOs: Proof Positive. But before we got to that, we talked about other things. One of the first things that came up was MJ-12 and the Wilbur Smith “Top Secret” report to the Canadian Department of Transportation. In it, Smith had suggested that UFOs were alien craft and he had received this information from Robert Sarbacher. You can listen to the program here:
did point out that Sarbacher had seen nothing himself, but had gotten his information
from some other, unidentified sources. This made Smith’s data third hand at
best, and might be even farther removed from any source of reliable source.
This did lead us into a discussion of MJ-12, which rarely goes anywhere. Proving
that I’m not very good at promoting my own work, I failed to mention Case
MJ-12, a book that I had written examining the story of MJ-12 and that was
heavily updated just a couple of years ago. In Del Re’s bibliography he listed
four books about MJ-12 but not mine, which does not contain a ringing
endorsement of the whole MJ-12 theory.
Rob Brun Del Re
One of the things that did come up, or rather that I brought up, was the information supplied by Brigadier General Arthur Exon and his discussion of what he called “The Unholy Thirteen.” This was not an official name, or nickname, just Exon’s way of describing the group. The membership of it is at odds with MJ-12 and since we can point to Exon as the source, and the MJ-12 documents have no provenance, Exon’s information is more important.
We did discuss the idea that the book, UFO’s: Proof Positive, provided logical arguments about UFOs but no real evidence, it seemed to me that the title was misleading. Rob’s answer was that he was more interested in providing arguments explaining how the skeptics and non-believers were wrong in their thoughts. For example, he argued that because we can’t travel interstellar distances, it doesn’t mean that another race having evolved on another planet hasn’t figured out a way to do it. While I concede that argument, it needs to be said that we don’t have a way of defeating those distances.
We did discuss some UFO sightings. Roswell, of course, entered the conversation, as did the Phoenix Lights and Shag Harbour. I don’t need to provide a list of my writings on Roswell. I think they’re well know and culminate in Roswell in the 21st Century. I have discussed the Phoenix Lights on past programs including a long discussion with Mike Rogers about his observations.
Next week, I’ll be speaking with Don Ecker who has a long history in the UFO field and has some very interesting insights into what has happened in the past and what is going on today.