We know what Sheridan Cavitt had to say about it because it is repeated as gospel. Those who champion his testimony have forgotten that Cavitt lied about his whereabouts in 1947, lied about his assignment, said that he never went on any balloon recovery and then, in 1995, changed all that. He was there and recognized the material as balloon remnants immediately. He could not explain why he hadn’t mentioned this to either Major Jesse Marcel or to Colonel William Blanchard.
But the balloon explanation has held because of those who wish to believe that Roswell is easily explainable. It may be many things, but it is not so easily dismissed.

So, why bring this up now... and again. Well, I think an examination of Dr. Albert Crary’s (seen here) diary, which provides us with the only record for Mogul Flight No. 4, the culprit identified by so many, needs to be examined carefully. By doing so, I believe that Mogul is eliminated from the list of candidates.
Second, let’s look at what Crary wrote about those early June, 1947, launches that included Fight No. 4. He said, "June 4, 1947. Out to Tularosa Range and fired charges between 00 and 06 this am. No balloon flight again on account of clouds. Flew regular sonobuoy up in cluster of balloons and had good luck on receiver on ground but poor on plane. Out with Thompson pm. Shot charges from 1800 to 2400."
"Crary’s diary entries for June 4 are puzzling because they are contradictory.My examination of his original handwritten entries suggests that he copied from other notes; the entries from June 2 through the first half of June 5 appear to have been written in one sitting with the same pencil and without any corrections or false starts. During the hectic operations in June, he apparently used field notes to record events as they occurred and then transcribed them later into his diary. This is evident in some later entries where the events of an entire week were lumped together. ...One interpretation of the June 4 entry is that the launch scheduled for making airborne measurements on Crary’s surface explosions after midnight was canceled because of clouds but, after the sky cleared around dawn, the cluster of already-inflated balloons was released, later than planned. The initial cancellation and later launch were recorded sequentially, as they occurred, in his field notes which he later transcribed into his permanent diary without elaboration."

On June 4, "He wrote that there was no balloon flight..."
Instead, we’re treated to Moore’s (at the time of the report) fifty-year-old memories. We are cautioned by the skeptics to be dubious of these long ago memories but, of course, they accept Moore’s as reliable. Moore wrote:
I have a memory of J. R. Smith watching the June 4th cluster through a theodolite on a clear, sunny morning and that Capt. Dyvad reported that the Watson Lab radar had lost the targets while Smith had then in view. It is also my recollection that the cluster was tracked about 75 miles from Alamogordo by the crew in the B-17. As I remember this flight, the B-17 crew terminated their chase, while the balloons were still airborne (and J.R. was still watching them), in the vicinity of Capitan Peak, Arabela and Bluewater, NM. I, as an Easterner, had never heard of these exotically-named places but their names have forever been stuck in my memory. This flight provided the only connection that I have ever had with these places. From the note in Crary’s diary, the reason for termination of the chase was due to poor reception of the telemetered acoustic information by the received aboard the plane. We never recovered this flight and, because of the sonobouy, the flight gear and the balloons were all expendable equipment, we had no further concern about them but began
preparations for the next flight.
And here is something else that the skeptics fail to report. Moore told me that he and a couple of the others on the Mogul team went to Roswell to ask for their help in tracking their balloons. The officers at Roswell didn’t have the time to deal with "college boys." This means, of course, that the officers at Roswell knew about Mogul and what it would be like.
The point here is that Mogul just doesn’t make a very good solution for the case. The facts don’t add up and the skeptics tend to forget those parts that point in another direction. They can’t even prove there was a Flight No. 4, and if there wasn’t, then Mogul explains nothing. It merely clouds the issue, as so much else has.
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My understanding is that even if there were a Flight #4 it wouldn't have carried radar reflectors ...
I have to say, this posting of yours strikes home with me. I have always been open to the Mogul explanation except for one small item that fouls up the logic of it: quite simply, if the Roswell incident was merely a crashed Mogul balloon, then why did Brazel bother to report it, and moreover, why was he (so the story goes) grilled for something like two days (as some reports put it) by intelligence officers and/or the military? Why the stories about Brazel being threatened, and changing his story as a result?
A balloon, after all, is a balloon. Were it a secret project, all anyone in the know had to say to Brazel was, "what you've got there, Mr. Brazel, is a weather balloon with a radar target attached." Case closed. Brazel would have believed it in an instant. Why wouldn't have he believed it? If it WAS a balloon, then one balloon looks like any other, and one radar target looks like any other. This was also just after WWII, when the public was still very much used to blindly accepting the word of the military in such matters. What possible reason could Brazel or anyone else have had for doubting their word, if they said it was a weather balloon? And yet (say the stories) Brazel was interrogated at length, held for some indeterminate amount of time, and possibly threatened. Why?
Now, maybe you can help me with this---I've never been able to track down where the story of Brazel's lengthy interrogation/debriefing began, and so I have no idea of the veracity of it. Do you have any of this information?
But okay... let's say the story is untrue. Let's say Brazel never was threatened or even interrogated. Still the question remains---why all the fuss over what could be dismissed as a weather ballon? Why did Brazel even bother reporting it, in the first place? (Never mind how someone even mistakes paltry and fragile balloon/radar target debris for a "flying disk," but that's another matter).
These points have always bothered me and continue to bother me. They're really the only things about the Roswell story that do bother me. And logically, they just don't add up. It would have been a much more efficient protection of a secret project to spin it as something else to Brazel immediately and decisively, right on the spot... "It's a weather balloon, Mr. Brazel." Why didn't they simply do that, then?
It seems, somehow, that from the start there was something else going on here... but clearly that depends on what Brazel really did find, and what we can make of the stories told about him and the stories he himself told about what he saw.
Dear Randell,
Attending my first MUFON conference 38th I notice how Dr. Rudy Schild a long time supporter of the MOGUL theory has changed his mind. I am just amazed how intelligent people bought the explanation that two intelligence officers and the Commander of the base with the A-Bomb didn't know what a few weather balloons and a radar detectors looks like. Not even a stretch for many intelligent scientist. Then I realize throw out some absurd explanations and the human ego will take care of the rest. To be less intelligent than some other species on this planet with us is very scary, the more intelligent you are, the more scary it becomes.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
WOW
The most simple explanation must be: An UFO collided with Mogul
ballooon, lost control and at last crash landed distant away at Corona. So finding debris of foil and balsa from Mogul below collision point and heavy wounded crashlanded UFO far away from this point is almost selfexplaining.
Kevin,
Let me play devil’s advocate for a moment. Honestly, I do not see any contradiction between what is written in Crary’s diary and the idea that a balloon array was launched later than originally planned on June 4.
Here is what the diary says:
June 3 – “Up at 2:30 AM ready to fly balloons but finally abandoned due to cloudy skies. I went out to Tularosa Range...”
June 4 – “Out to Tularosa Range and fired charges between 00 and 06 this am. No balloon flight AGAIN on account of clouds.”
To me, this reads pretty straightforwardly. They intended to launch a balloon array on June 3, but weather got in the way. Then Crary headed out to Tularosa. On June 4, same story — bad weather prevented another balloon launch. But then, later on June 4, they finally managed to lunch a cluster of balloons, "Flew regular sonobuoy up in cluster of balloons and had good luck on receiver on ground but poor on plane."
Both the entries for June 3 and June 4 mention attempts to launch balloons that ultimately failed. In your post, you suggest that perhaps, because the notes were jotted down in a messy or disorganized way, these two entries might actually be describing the same event. But the wording in the June 4 entry makes it pretty clear they are not. Crary specifically says they tried to launch balloons, but had to cancel the planned flight AGAIN ("No balloon flight AGAIN"). That little word — "again" — is important. It implies there were two separate attempts: one on June 3, and another one on June 4. That "again" tells us these were distinct efforts, not just a duplicate note about the same event.
So, it seems to me that the timeline was the following:
June 3 — They tried to launch a cluster of balloons, but they had to cancel the flight due to cloudy weather. Then Crary went to Tularosa Range.
June 4 — Crary arrived at Tularosa Range and they tried to lunch another cluster of balloons, but even in this case, they had to cancel the flight due to cloudy weather.
Later on June 4 — When the clouds disappeared, they managed to lunch a regular sonobuoy up in a cluster of balloons, and managed to receive good data on the ground but pour data on the plane.
So really, I do not see anything in the diary that rules out a later launch on June 4. If anything, it leaves room for it.
Sparaticus01 –
First, you have confused what Moore wrote with what I wrote. I did not write about Crary’s messy notes. That was Moore in his attempt to explain how the cancelled flight was able to drop debris on the Brazel (well, Foster) ranch. It was Moore attempting to confuse the issue because of the problems that Crary’s diary identified with Moore’s contention that Flight #4 was launched before dawn.
As you noted, both the launches on June 3 and June 4 were cancelled at dawn due to cloudy weather. That was straightforward until Moore suggested that Flight #4 was launched about 2:30 or 3:00 in the morning, in violation of the rules under which they operated. You have to wonder how they launched a flight at 2:30 and then cancelled it at dawn. He had to do that because the winds aloft data showed that a Mogul array launched at dawn would not have tracked to the Brazel ranch.
Moore said that Flight #4 was as successful as Flight #5, launched the next day. If true, then why was no data captured? Crary’s notes tell us that Flight #5 was the first successful flight in New Mexico… So, how could Flight #4 be as successful when no data were captured.
Moore told me that once they inflated the balloons, they couldn’t put the helium back in the bottles. Sometimes they launched a cluster of balloons to test some of the components. We know what the cluster was because those are described in the reports from the NYU balloon project and were included in the Air Force report. These clusters were not the same as the full-blown arrays (pun intended) that carried the full spectrum of equipment. They were no the hazard to aerial navigation that the “Mogul” flights were. They were much shorter.
Moore also told me that Flight #4 was equipped just like Flight #5. But the schematic for Flight #5 contained no rawin radar targets… so, where did the target in Ramey’s office originate?
So, knowing that I had not confused the attempted launch on June 3 with June 4, that the June 4 launch was cancelled at dawn due to weather, and that a cluster of balloons with a sonobuoy was not the same as a Mogul array, what is your point here?
Kevin,
I know that a cluster of balloons was not the same as a full Mogul flight. I also know that the balloon cluster they launched on June 4 could not possibly be the Roswell culprit, for all the reasons you yourself have listed. However, the way you wrote your post made it seem as though you were outright denying that a cluster of balloons had in fact been launched on June 4.
In other words, I thought that you were saying that, since Crary's notes are messy, the June 3 entry (“Up at 2:30 AM ready to fly balloons but finally abandoned due to cloudy skies") and the initial sentence of the June 4 entry (“No balloon flight again on account of clouds") were actually referring to the same event on June 4, while the subsequent sentence ("Flew regular sonobuoy up in cluster of balloons and had good luck on receiver on ground but poor on plane") was referring to Flight No. 5 on June 5.
That, and only that, was the point I was trying to push back on. Though it is possible that I completely misunderstood what you were trying to say. If that is the case, I apologize.
Spartacus)1 -
I don't get this... I saw nothing to suggest that I was denying the cluster of balloons had been launched. Of course it was. I was saying that a cluster of balloons does not make a Mogul launch.
I say again, that I did not say that Crary's notes were messy. The idea that Crary's notes and diary entries are confusing came from Charles Moore as a way to explain why there was a launch at 2:30 but the flight was cancelled at dawn. In other words, you have misinterpreted what I was saying. I understood the chronology.
I suppose that we could say that Moore, in his writings, managed to create the confusion he wanted so that there are some who believe that it was a Mogul array found by Mack Brazel.
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