X-Zone Broadcast Network - Disclosure First, then Dr. Bruce Maccabee

Dr. Bruce Maccabee was the guest for this week’s show. But before we started, I mentioned that I had just heard the statements made by Christopher Mellon, one-time Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense. The statements seemed to suggest, once again, that we are moving closer to Disclosure. He said, “We know UFOs exist. This is no longer an issue. The issue is why are they here? Where are they coming from and what is the technology behind these devices that we are observing?”

This might be the most positive statement made by a former high-ranking

Dr. Bruce Maccabee. Photo copyright
by Kevin Randle.

government official. He would have been in a position to know what was going on. And, as he said, “There is a vital national security issue which I that our sovereignty is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin.”

This was a point that I have made over the years. No matter what they were saying, if people were reporting seeing these unidentified craft, there was a military obligation to investigate them. Didn’t really matter the point of origin. If there were craft out there penetrating our airspace without the proper authorization, then that is a matter of national security. The government could attempt to brush it off as something unimportant, but until they had identified the intruder, they must intercept it. Anything else was a failure to complete the government’s, and in the case the Air Force and Navy’s, responsibility.

Mellon, in fact, said that intercepts, or as he characterized it, “interacting,” was happening on a nearly daily basis.

Dr. Maccabee and I discussed this for a moment, but we didn’t have much more information than that. I had just found the story in the hour or so before the beginning of the program. It was, in the new parlance of the mainstream media, “Developing.”

From there Dr. Maccabee and I talked about the Arnold sighting and the ramifications of it in the world of the UFO. You can listen to it here:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/18118538

We also discussed some of the best of the photographic evidence including the McMinnville photographs from 1950. As Dr. Maccabee mentioned, this really doesn’t take us to the extraterrestrial, meaning simply that while there might not be a solid, terrestrial explanation for the photographs, that doesn’t mean it proves alien visitation. More evidence is required to establish that.

Dr. Maccabee also brought up the 1973 Skylab III sightings by three astronauts. Again, there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory answer for the sighting. Dr. Maccabee has written a paper about the case at his website that can be found here:

http://burmac.mysite.com/

Next up is Dan Wright who will be filling us in on his book CIA & UFOs. If you have questions, let me know in the comments section and I’ll do my best to get them. We did touch on most of the questions from readings here in this show but given the interview with Mellon, time was a little shorter than usual.

Are We Getting Closer to Disclosure?

I have spent, literally, years suggesting that the government has no motivation for Disclosure, and that Disclosure will be precipitated by the aliens making it clear, beyond all doubt, that they are here. While that could happen at any moment, it has not happened during the modern era of alien visitation. Given that, given those decades, the government, while worried, has been able to keep the secret because the story is just one of those unbelievable tales. Bits and pieces can leak, but the story is so incredible, that alien beings are visiting Earth, that some will just reject it out of hand. Cannot be, therefore it is not.

I have maintained that for the government to fully disclose what they know, there must be a reason. To date, no reason has been given. Why should they open this can of worms when there is no up side to doing it? Why not just allow it to lay dormant until forced to disclose by unforeseen complications?

But now, here in the middle of 2019, it begins to look as if the cracks in Disclosure are closer than they ever were. While denying, again for decades, that the military has no interest in chasing UFOs, even when national security demanded it, they have seemingly reversed that position. Now they are saying, “Well, we have to look into these sightings because we are required to do so for the safety of the country.”

And, given the state of the world today, there really isn’t any place for these things to originate on Earth. If we lead the world in space technology and the development of advanced aircraft (yes, a somewhat American-centric view), then such advanced craft would have to come from, well, us. And if we didn’t build them, and they are flying all over our territory (suggesting again that they would be American because

if one crashed, we’d have that technology), they must come from an outside source. A source that is technologically advanced beyond us (meaning the whole world here), and that leaves only one place as the point of their origin. From beyond our solar system.

Now, we learn that, for a number of years, for millions of dollars, and contrary to what we have been told, there was a program to investigate UFOs. It might be seen as little more than pork barrel to specific military contractors, or it might be seen as a study about the paranormal nature of the phenomenon, but the point is, that it was taken seriously.

Beyond that, we learn that the Navy has had some truly strange encounters with these objects, with these things, with something, that doesn’t fit into our currently accepted world view. There is something strange out there and Navy pilots have encountered it on a regular basis. That information has leaked into the public arena, and has been given the serious treatment by the alleged serious media. I have to wonder if Disclosure might be the ultimate goal here.

Look at some of the stories that have appeared in the newspapers that always treated UFOs with a bit of distain:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/27/navy-pilots-spotted-ufos-flying-at-hypersonic-speeds-report/

and

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/ufos-exist-everyone-needs-adjust-that-fact/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8197700f84db

and

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/navy-pilots-are-seeing-ufos-on-an-almost-daily-basis-report.html

And not to mention a longer piece by Tony Bragalia that suggests a long Navy interest in UFOs. You can read that here:

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/

And even my friend Rich Reynolds has gotten into the act by reporting on the SCU paper about the Navy encounters. You can read it here:

https://ufocon.blogspot.com/2019/05/that-scu-analysis-of-2004-tic-tac-ufo.html

I know that in the past we have been led down the Disclosure path. Every time it turned out to be something less than we had hoped it would be. In the mid-1990s, for example, the Air Force claimed it was looking into the Roswell UFO crash, and that turned out to be a longwinded suggestion that nothing really had happened… or rather Project Mogul was responsible for the strange metallic debris and anthropomorphic dummies were responsible for the bodies. The evidence they presented for these theories was less than convincing.

You might suggest this was an Anti-Disclosure tactic. We, and by we, I mean all of us doing research into the Roswell case and its various off-shoots, were upsetting those in the Air Force. We can speculate about why they were annoyed, but the truth is they took some extraordinary steps to shut down that research. They threw piles of paper, data, and documents at us, daring us to refute them. It could be that we had gotten too close to a truth and they simply were not ready for Disclosure of that truth, whatever it might be.

Here we are, more than two decades later, and suddenly there are videos of Navy intercepts of unidentified aerial phenomena. We have serious media (and, of course the fringe elements as well) taking the topic of alien visitation seriously. It is almost as if the government had decided that it was time to tell the truth about all this. It was as if they realized that the revelation, that would come eventually, is not the horrible, well disclosure, that some thought it might be. Maybe they realized that we all are now sophisticated enough that the Disclosure of alien visitation wouldn’t send the shockwaves through society that had been predicted for so long. May stocks wouldn’t tumble, religion wouldn’t collapse, and we wouldn’t panic.

I’m not sure what is coming, but I have to say this sudden release of UFO related information is somewhat surprising. The government, the Navy, are supplying the data and I don’t understand why they are doing it now. I just find it interesting that they are now going back on what they have said for decades. That they are modifying the narrative, and that makes me think something might be coming.

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Dr. Dan Farcas and Hyper-Civilizations

This week I talked to Dr. Dan Farcas, about his book Hyper-Civilization: An Answer to ET Contact on Earth. But before I got to that, I mentioned a story that had appeared just minutes before I started the program (or rather I found just minutes before... it had been posted to a news site about six hours earlier).  This involved a

Dr, Dan Farcas

Pentagon announcement finally admitting the possible existence of UFOs, which they now term “unidentified aerial phenomena (UAO),” and that they investigate reports of them.

The New York Post reported that the DoD spokesman, Christopher Sherwood, said that the secret Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, did research into UAOs, which are claimed sightings of alien spacecraft. This is something a little different than their standard hoaxes, illusions, delusions and misidentifications nonsense.

Sherwood said, “The Department of Defense is always concerned about maintaining positive identification of all aircraft in our operating environment, as well as identifying any foreign capability that may be a threat to the homeland.”

The military will also continue to investigate reports of UAOs encountered by US military pilots… which is something that I’ve said for years. They are obligated to investigate these, well, UFOs. It’s their mission… the protection of US airspace.

Finished with that, we started the interview with a definition of Hyper-Civilization, which is not something found on Earth, but on other planets were the intelligent life developed hundreds of thousands if not millions of years before that on Earth. Given their head start, they would have developed modes of transport to cross not only interstellar space, but also intergalactic space. And yes, we did get to the point of mentioning that the nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. You can listen to the interview here:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/18054057

We also discussed the possibility of that those involved in abducting our fellows are artificial constructs designed for the purpose of interacting with we flesh and blood humans. Dan seemed to be of the opinion that there is very little intelligent life in the universe and therefore it is extremely rare in our galaxy. Something on the order of maybe ten intelligent species in the Milky Way. If scattered about in a proper distribution would mean that they would be tens of thousands of light years from us.

Next week, I bother Dr. Bruce Maccabee. In our emails about the show, he provided a long list of interesting topics and we certainly won’t be able to get to them all. However, to complicate all this, if you have a question or two for Bruce, post them to the comments and I’ll try to get to them.

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Jerry Clark

This week I discussed the UFO Encyclopedia, 3^rd Edition, with the author, Jerome (Jerry) Clark. Before we began our discussion, I mentioned that it was the 50^th anniversary of my destroying a UH-1H helicopter by triggering a land mine in South Vietnam. Knowing full well that there are many people who claim Vietnam service who were never there, and knowing some might be not believe the story, you can read it in the unit history of the 187^th Assault Helicopter Company here:

http://www.187thahc.net/Incidents/incident_69.htm

Just scroll down to May 16, and you’ll find it… and yes, this has nothing to do with UFOs and I mentioned it only because it was fifty years ago today that it happened.

But on to the UFO stuff and Jerry Clark.

Naturally, given the timing of the show, we had to mention the passing of Stan Friedman a few days earlier. I thought it important to acknowledge his passing and

Jerry Clark

we devoted the first segment of the show to that.

We did get around to talking about his UFO Encyclopedia, which is a massive resource, that is a must for anyone who is serious about UFO research. To me, one of the most important aspects of the Encyclopedia, is the list of sources at the end of each of the articles. That allows the reader to find additional information, some of it providing an opposing view or giving an alternative solution. You can listen to the show here:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/17940170

Although I wanted to cover the questions that readers had sent, we did run out of time. I tried to ask at least one question from each of those who supplied them. One of them concerned the airship wave of 1897. I had thought that Jerry believed there was a core of good reports that began in late 1896, but that many of the sightings in 1897 were, shall we say, imaginative. Jerry quickly corrected me.

I did go back and look at the entry from the 2^nd Edition of his Encyclopedia so that I could compare it with the latest version. The entry had evolved, and covered sightings that began in other parts of the world some fifty years earlier. It seems that the sightings involve some sort real experiences but when we reach April, 1897, it is clear that the majority of those reports are faked. I asked specifically about the Aurora, Texas, crash, which, given what we know today, is laughable, when you read the original report. I am astonished that there are those who still believe this was a real event. You can find more information about it, and the Alexander Hamilton calf-napping here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/04/aurora-texas-again.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2013/09/ufo-crashes-fifty-years-before-roswell.html

Jerry tells me, "The point I was trying to make about airship reports was that they were real experiences, not "real events" as you have it.  I try to make clear that radars/visuals and CE2s exemplify event anomaliess, i.e., strange things that occur within the boundaries of consensus reality, and high-strange phenomena exemplify experience anomalies, which take place in liminal space between the real and the imagined, with characteristics of each mixed together."

We also talked, briefly about contactees and abductions. Time prevented us from going into depth about these topics. I think you get a feel for where Jerry is on the topics and I do mention that George Adamski’s tales of Venus failed to account for the surface temperature that is hot enough to melt lead… not the tropic environment that so many envisioned in the 1950s.

Next up is Dr. Dan Farcas and his theory about Hyper-civilization. It is an interesting take on a number of questions about UFOs and other topics. For those who have questions, as always, append them here in the comments section and I’ll try to get them asked.

Stan Friedman has Died

Noted UFO researcher Stan Friedman died last night, May 13, 2019.

Stan will be remembered for this advocacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, believing that some of the alien visitors were from the Zeta I, Zeta II Reticuli star system some 37 lights years from Earth. He had met with Betty Hill, and had partnered with Hill’s niece, Kathleen Marden in recent years. Together they wrote Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience which was an inside look at

Stan Friedman and Kathleen Marden at the MUFON
Conference in Denver. Photo copyright by
Kevin Randle.

the Hill abduction.

Stan started his adult life as a nuclear physicist working in the industry on various projects, including some that were classified. In 1970, he quit industry to devote full time to his UFO research. He had lectured at hundreds of colleges and universities and wrote several books about science and UFOs. He appeared on thousands of radio shows, on television and in documentaries.

While in Louisiana in 1978, a television station manager suggested that Stan might want to talk to a fellow named Jesse Marcel, a ham radio operator. Marcel was, of course, the air intelligence officer of the 509^th Bomb Group, the military unit said to have recovered the remains of an alien spacecraft and the bodies of the occupants. That began a decades long search for documents, witnesses, and insight into what became know as the Roswell Incident.

Stan Friedman with the speakers at the Denver MUFON Conference.
Photo copyright by Kevin Randle.

It was during my research into the Roswell crash that I first met Stan more than 30 years ago. We did share information and resources, though we sometimes clashed over details. Stan believed that a few of the early MJ-12 documents were authentic while I believed them all to be created by UFO enthusiasts to provide documents proving that a spacecraft had been recovered. Stan was instrumental, however, in proving that dozens of the documents were faked, showing that he simply didn’t accept everything handed to him as authentic.

Stan had met Vern Maltais who claimed that his friend, Barney Barnett, had seen a crashed saucer on the Plains of San Agustin. Barnett had a niece, Alice Knight, and though both Stan and I had asked her about anything to document this, Knight said that she had nothing. She called me one night and said that she had found a diary that Ruth Barnett had kept for the year 1947. I was scheduled to meet Stan, along with Don Schmitt, in Albuquerque a few weeks later. I said I would swing by Knight’s house, which was more or less on the way. I smile every time I think about the first words Stan said to me when we met in Albuquerque. He asked, “Did you get it?”

I certainly had, but there was nothing in it to corroborate the Barnett tale. That was a great disappointment for all of us.

Stan was tenacious in his research, traveling around the country, visiting presidential libraries, meeting with families of witnesses, gathering important information, and providing encouragement to many interested in UFOs. He

Stan in full speaker mode. Photo copyright
by Kevin Randle

debated those in the scientific community and those he thought of as debunkers. He was proud of taking a thousand dollars from Philip Klass, when Klass suggested that none of the typewriters in the White House used pica type. Klass said he would pay one hundred dollars for each example, up to ten. Stan happily complied earning him the grand.

Although we had been at odds, in later years, we both seemed to mellow out. In Roswell in 2012, he mentioned that he thought I was right about Robert Willingham, a man who had claimed to have seen a crashed saucer just south of the Mexico. The evidence stacked against Willingham was overwhelming, but that didn’t dissuade Stan from his belief that the Eisenhower Briefing Document was authentic. It was just one of those things with which we had to agree to disagree.

The last time I saw Stan, I believe, was at the Citizen Hearing in Washington, D.C. in May 2013. We sat together, listening to a couple of the sessions of the hearing, and were both part of the hearing that dealt with Roswell. At one point, as we sat together, a question was directed as us, which we both answered at the same time, the same way. It dealt with a minor point about Roswell.

That was the thing. Stan said, more than once, that he and I agreed on more than we disagreed. We had one of those adversarial relations that was more cordial than many thought. In Roswell, at a big dinner in 2012, I had taken a seat at one end of the long table and Stan was about to sit at the far end. Someone mentioned that, believing, I guess, that we were mortal enemies. Before Stan sat down, I moved and took the chair opposite of him. Those around us waited for fireworks, but there were none. We had a nice chat during that dinner.

Stan could be headstrong but he was also interested in the evidence. He could defend those he thought had solid information, rarely abandoning them when the evidence went against them. He was positive that we have been visited, and debated those who thought otherwise. He was a strong advocate for his position, often complained about the entrenched attitudes of the academic world, and arguing passionately for his beliefs.

He leaves behind a wife, and three children. Stan was 84.

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Mark O'Connell

Mark O’Connell, author of The Close Encounters Man, a biography of J. Allen Hynek, was this week’s guest. Although we were going to talk about J. Allen Hynek and his investigations during the years of Project Blue Book, we started with my predictions about who would end up on the Iron Throne. Yes, we took a dive into

Mark O'Connell

the pool of Game of Thrones, and since I thought I had figured out the ending, I wanted a record of that. You can listen to the show (which was about much more than GoT here:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/17873376

We did talk about the way Hynek had ended up as the Air Force consultant on UFOs, and how that compared to the way it had been presented in the History series. (And I didn’t even mention that the lead actor, Aidan Gillen, had played Littlefinger in GoT.) Mark provided some interesting insight into how and why Hynek ended up doing what he did.

One of the cases that we discussed was the Chiles-Whitted sighting. I was surprised that Mark thought of as a good case. I believe that it is explained by a bolide, given what we have learned in the last fifty years. You can read my analysis here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2016/01/chiles-and-whitted-revisited.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/12/history-channel-project-blue-book-and.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2016/01/chileswhitted-and-skepticism.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/04/meteorite-men-and-ufos.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/03/chiles-whitted-turbulence-and-ed-ruppelt.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/03/chasing-footnotes-chiles-whitted-cigar.html

We did go off line later to talk about it some more. Mark had done additional research and still believes it to be a good case. In this, he agrees with Jerry Clark, who will be on next week’s show. Mark thought that the ground sighting, if linked to Chiles-Whitted argued against a bolide. I’m just not convinced that the sightings should be linked, but my arguments are laid out in the above links.

We also talked about some of Hynek’s favorite cases which included the Lonnie Zamora landing in 1964 and the Coyne helicopter case in 1973 (which was not part of the Blue Book investigation). I have covered both of these on the blog and in books I have written. We both agreed that these were good cases. For those who want more on Coyne, you can find it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/06/october-181973-coyne-helicopter-case.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-coyne-helicopter-ufo-case.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/05/why-i-chase-footnotes-coyne-edition.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/05/chasing-footnotes-coyne-edition.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-coyne-helicopter-encounter-explained.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-library-fairy-coyne-edition.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/05/chasing-footnotes-coyne-encounter-update.html

We closed the show talking about who makes the best witnesses. That evolved into a discussion Michigan swamp gas fiasco and who was the blame for it. The problem was the Air Force need to bury the incident quickly and Hynek caught the flak for the lousy answers. The Air Force officers were afraid that the national attention would create more problems for their investigation in Michigan in particular and UFOs in general. Turned out that the sightings resulted in Congressional interest and eventually lead to the demise of Blue Book.

Next up is Jerome (Jerry) Clark, who had just published the third edition of his massive UFO Encyclopedia. For the serious researcher, this is a must have addition to any library. The Encyclopedia is a comprehensive analysis of all aspects of the UFO phenomena. As always, if anyone had questions for Jerry, send them to the comments section here and I’ll try to get them asked during the show.

Curse of Oak Island - Season 6 Finale

Well, the finale was a big “nothing burger.” You could have watched last season’s finale and gotten the same results. In fact, you could have watched the first season finale and seen nothing different. Oh, they’ve dug up great portions of the island, they’ve found evidence that someone was there prior to 1795 when the boys found the “Money Pit,” but they’ve really done nothing to solve the mystery.

One of those mysteries had been the coconut fiber found on the beach in Smith’s Cove. It was dated to a hundred years or more prior to the beginning of the great

search for treasure. However, it seems that carbon dating something less than several centuries old is notoriously unreliable. All we can say is that the coconut fiber was brought to the island in the dim past for reasons that we can only guess at.

This year, they built that coffer dam and dug up the beach, finding evidence of some sort of port facility or emergency repair station. None of that leads us to a buried treasure but does provide an excuse for what has been found. If, as Joy Steele suggested, this was a place to repair the wooden ships, or a safe harbor for ships that needed it, then the treasure myth is gone and the mystery is solved. It wasn’t the Lagina boys who solved it.

If this was such a port facility, then there should be some record of it in the admiralty records hidden (and by hidden, I merely mean filed away) in Great Britain. As far as I know, no one has attempted to learn if some sort of naval facility had been established on Oak Island around 1700. It seems to me that someone with access to these now nearly ancient records, could find a map, a note, something to tell us about it. And that would solve the mystery once and for all.

The point here, however, is that nothing new was produced during last summer’s assault on Oak Island. Holes were drilled, geographic surveying was done, ground penetrating radar was used and metal detectors were deployed. In the end, we learned nothing and found nothing to suggest a treasure. Everything pulled up can be explained by more than two centuries of searching for a treasure that was never there.

If the ratings hold, if there is enough continued interest, I suppose we’ll be treated with another season of them digging up the island. The only treasure to be found is in the continued ratings… and I suspect many people are becoming bored with the ongoing failure to find treasure. They gave it a shot but there was no treasure for them to find. They should work at repairing the island now.

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Larry Holcombe

This week I talked with Larry Holcombe about his book, The Presidents and UFOs: A Secret History from FDR to Obama. It was a wide-ranging interview that took in a lot of territory. You can list to it here:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/17809625

There are a couple of points that we need to clarify. We talked about Doug Locke, who had said that as a judo instructor at Biggs Air Force Base in El Paso, he had

Front gate at Biggs Air Force Base, El Paso, TX.

learned about the Roswell crash from several pilots sent there for training. I knew it as Biggs Army Air Field, which is not a big difference but a difference none-the-less. Checking the history of the base, I learned that in the 1950s it had been Biggs AFB, and that the name later had been changed back to Biggs AAF. So, both Larry and I had been right about it. That it had been an Air Force base in the early 1950s added a note of credibility to Locke’s tale.

I probably should note here that I did press Larry on the vetting of Locke’s military experience. The problem was when he mentioned that Locke’s military records had been lost in the fire at the St. Louis Records Center in the big 1973 fire. Oh, there is no doubt there had been a fire and that tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of records had been lost. Claiming that “my records were burned in the fire,” is the standard dodge of those making up their tales of military service. In this case, I think the problem was more that Larry didn’t understand my question. Some of Locke’s records had apparently survived or had been reconstructed, so

Larry Holcombe

that his military service was confirmed by an independent, disinterested source. I think that became clear in the show.

The other point was Jimmy Carter’s UFO sighting. I said that he had made it while governor of Georgia and Larry said it was before he was governor. Turns out that the sighting was made in 1969 but wasn’t reported until 1973 after Carter became governor.

Either way, the sighting is not a very good one. According to the latest data it seems that on an evening in 1969, the exact date of which has not been confirmed, Carter, with a group of others saw an object about 30 degrees above the horizon. Carter said it was bright white and about as bright as the moon, rather than the size of the moon. The object seemed to approach and then recede.

Although Carter said about twenty people saw the object at the same time he did, none of those people have been found. Given that, and the controversy (yeah, controversy is a bit harsh) over the date, it is difficult to put a conclusion on the sighting. Originally, it was suggested that Venus was the culprit, but later, Air Force tests conducted around Eglin Air Force Base, seem to have provided a better solution, especially if the date of January 6, 1969, is accurate. Anyway, you can read more about that here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_UFO_incident

and here:

http://www.debunker.com/texts/carter_ufo.html

and here:

https://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/jimmy-carters-ufo-sighting-was-it-venus.html

Larry and I did discuss MJ-12, who might have had a hand in creating the documents and if there were elements of authenticity in them. I suggested a fatal flaw in what is known as the Eisenhower Briefing Document and you can read about it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?q=Eisenhower+Briefing+Document

and the tale of Robert Willingham here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/10/end-of-mj-12.html

And, if you wish to read the whole story of MJ-12 as it stands today, look for Case MJ-12, but be sure it is the 2018 updated version. There is new information added to the 2000 edition.

Next week, I’ll be talking with Mark O’Connell, who wrote the biography of J. Allen Hynek. The conversation will be framed with the treatment of Hynek in History’s Project Blue Book but we’ll also look at some of the controversy Hynek created with his swamp gas explanation for the Michigan UFO sightings in 1966 and his adventures working for the Air Force.

If you have any questions for Mark, add a comment here and I’ll try to get them answered for you during the program.