Back in May of this year, I, along with several thousand of my friends, received a press release about a new book by Jacques Vallee about a reported UFO crash near San Antonio, New Mexico in 1945. It predated Roswell by nearly two years, though some of the elements seemed to foreshadow that case. I put up a preliminary analysis of the case which you can read here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-san-antonio-ufo-crash.html
And,
there was a story about fragments recovered in the crash that had been
analyzed. That information can be found here:
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/ufo-crash-remnants-ii-photo/
I
did have the opportunity to read the book and provided an analysis, more of a
review, which can be read here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/06/trinity-best-kept-secret-critique.html
Don
Schmitt and I discussed this last spring when the information first broke. Don
said that he had talked with one of the primary witnesses about the case. Our
discussion, in the first segment, can be heard here:
https://www.spreaker.com/user/xzoneradiotv/adp20210512ep157emdonschmitt
And
finally, I had the opportunity to speak with both Jacques Vallee and Paola
Harris about their book about the San Antonio crash. Most of the conversation
was with Vallee. You can access that information and listen to the show here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/06/x-zone-broadcast-network-jacques-vallee.html
https://www.spreaker.com/user/xzoneradiotv/adp20210602ep162emjacquesvalleeandpaoloh_1
All
this was triggered by a peer reviewed journal article, Physical Analyses in
Ten of Unexplained Aerial Objects with Material Samples, that is available
online now, though the scheduled publication is January 2022. It has very
little to do with the San Antonio crash but does provide some insight into the
reason Vallee seems to accept this tale. In it, Vallee writes about ten
incidents in which strange and unexplained debris has been recovered in cases
associated with UFO sightings, or suspected UFO sightings.
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Among
those ten cases is one that is an obvious hoax and that is the report from
Maury Island in early June 1947. It is clear from the investigations by the
military and by private UFO researchers that the case is a hoax, though Vallee
suggests there might be something of value in it. You can read about that here:
https://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/07/maury-island-ufo-crash.html
For
those interested, you can read more about this hoax in Crash: When UFOs Fall
from the Sky; Alien Mysteries, Conspiracies and Cover-Ups, and in
Jerry Clark’s massive UFO Encyclopedia. George Earley published a two-part
expose of the hoax in Fate in March and April 1981 and a three-part
expose in UFO magazine in October 2010, January 2011 and October 2011.
Some
of the other cases are shaky at best. The source of some of those seems to be
Frank Edwards who often wrote from memory without bothering to check the facts.
More than once I have found substantial errors in works by Edwards, though he
often gets a few of the facts right.
It
is with the Council Bluffs, Iowa, case from December 17, 1977, that Vallee
devotes the most space to in the article, including an analysis of the metal
that was recovered. There seems to be no doubt that something fell into the Big
Lake Park during the evening. Three people were on their way to a local store
when they spotted the glowing, reddish object about five hundred feet in the
air falling straight down. It disappeared behind the trees and there was a
flash of bluish-white light shooting upwards suggesting an impact.
Witnesses
summoned the fire department and Assistant Fire Chief Jack Moore arrived in
time to see the still glowing molten mass. He said that it was some sort of
metal that couldn’t be bent or broken that was covering an area of about four
by six feet. They did attempt to alert the Air Force, but this was several
years after the closure of Project Blue Book and the Air Force officers at Offutt
Air Force Base weren’t interested.
There
were other witnesses and most of them were interviewed. Their stories all
basically matched about a glowing object falling to the ground. For a time
after crashing, it, whatever it was, threw off sparks reminding the witnesses
of those old-fashioned sparklers that were once among the few Fourth of July
“fireworks” allowed in Iowa.
Samples
of the metal were collected and subjected to testing at several labs including
those at Iowa State University. The metal was high-carbon steel of
terrestrial origin. There was nothing in the samples to suggest an alien
technology, though no one could explain where the metal originated or what the
object was that fell into the park. There were a couple of manufacturing plants
in the area at the time that might have been the source, but no one could
explain how the glowing metal had gotten from the plants to the park or why it
seemed to have fallen from the sky.
There are those who
suggest that what fell hadn’t actually landed directly on the levee, but had
fallen into the lake. They thought a search of the lake by divers might offer
an explanation. To date, that hasn’t been done.
There is one part of
the paper that is quite interesting. According to Vallee, the Ubatuba, Brazil,
sample that was seen to fall onto the beach and into the Atlantic Ocean, did
not happen in September, 1957, as most of us believed. The metal was actually
recovered in 1933 or 1934 and wasn’t sent to the magazine writer in Brazil
until 1957. The man who originally brought this to our attention, Dr. Olavo
Fontes, a colleague of Coral and Jim Lorenzen, presented a number of dubious
UFO reports in the 1960s. This might have been one of them.
Ubatuba samples have
been analyzed by many labs over the years and the consensus seems to be of
extremely pure magnesium. While interesting, the case was originally plagued by
the lack of a solid provenance. Although the magazine writer was identified,
the actual source, the person who sent it to him, was unknown. Vallee has made
that an even bigger problem suggesting that the date used by all of us is wrong
as well.
11 comments:
If it's the article I found online, it's dated 1998.
Is that a different one?
Peace,
Gene
Hello Lt Col Randle,
When you mentioned
Physical Analyses in 10 cases of Unexplained Aerial Objects with Material Samples
were you referring to this 1998 paper?
https://www.academia.edu/36785926/Physical_Analyses_in_10_cases_of_Unexplained_Aerial_Objects_with_Material_Samples
Sincerely,
Richard
As other participants have previously replied on this blog, which was originally posted over 7 months ago, this is unbecoming for Vallee and may have tarnished the crededible work he has previously brought forth to the subject.
I have uncovered the area of confusion here. I referenced the 1998 paper but should have made it clear that what had triggered my response was an article that can be found here:
https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2021/12/vallee-nolan-et-al-peer-reviewed.html
It was a new review of some of the material collected at Council Bluffs in 1977. That article became available online on December 9, 2021 and is somewhat related to that earlier article.
Roger that -- thanks for the clarification.
Richard
Hello Kevin. Shane Ryan from Canberra here.
Slightly off-topic, but, if I wanted to confirm the presence or otherwise of a soldier at the Roswell Army Air Base in 1947, how could I go about that? Am I right in thinking you have a list of the people who were on the base at that time?
The family of an apparent Roswell serviceman witness has contacted me wanting to know how they might go about confirming his presence there and his stated involvement in the incident. The man, who emigrated to Australia, has now passed away, but his children are still alive.
Regards,
Shane.
Thanks for the info. Just in case here is a link to the full paper by Vallee, Nolan et al. https://www.docdroid.net/IO2hKxr/1-s20-s0376042121000907-main-pdf
Vallee also posted a confused rebuttal to the legion of critics of his latest book Trinity here https://trinitysecret.com/the-other-lessons-of-trinity
It's very sad to see that a hero of my youth appears to be nothing more than another UFO scam artist, sorry. Trinity is an unscientific desaster of a book and there seem to be good reasons that the materials from that alleged crash are not included in Vallees & Nolans paper.
Keep up the good work, Kevin.
Cheers,
Alex
Shane -
I have several documents that provide the names of those who were in Roswell in July 1947. Contact me at KRandle993@aol.com and provide the name. I'll check it out. I believe, given the documents I have that I have about 90%+ of those there.
Alex Foyle: To refer to Jacques Vallee as "nothing more than another UFO scam artist" is unfair. While personally I am not a big fan of Dr. Vallee, I believe he engaged in some important UFO studies prior to going off-tangent to Magonia.
That said, Trinity and this upcoming journal article may be his most wayward works yet.
John Steiger: Thanks, you're right, I should have said UFO profiteer instead of scam artist. I was actually a very big fan of Vallee, even bought the expensive limited edition of his "Wonders in the Sky", although that is also riddled with unscientifc research/sources and (consequently) findings.
Owning and having read all his work I think his most valuable efforts are his memories/diaries as published in the Forbidden Science series and in Revelations, Confrontations, Dimensions & Messengers of Deception. He lets all the experiencers have their word and lets them tell their story without ever judging either way. That's probably also the reason why his rumoured Aviary nickname in the heady 1980s was Parrot ...
Trinity in my opinion is definitely his weakest work ever and there are tons of reasons, some of which have been pointed out and discussed here on Kevin's excellent blog. I'd be happy to exchange via DM with you if you wish. Trinity has really made me lose faith in Vallee and his research abilities, the book is an unedited and unresearched disaster.
Regarding his research with Nolan, that could be wayward if they wouldn't be wasting their time and credibility on toxic waste from Maury Island, for example. Some of the other cases under investigation are "shaky at best" as Kevin put it mildly. So I'm not getting my hopes up here. Ironic that the allegedly retrieved pieces from the crash described in Trinity are not being investigated, they have been found to be of earthly origin long before Trinity was published. Which materials would be worthwhile for the study of Vallee and Nolan?
P.S.: Just saw that somebody at the Anomalist posted a kind of a reply to Kevin's article here. It's short so I just copy and paste:
Jacques Vallee and Ten Unexplained UFO Cases and Metallic Debris A Different Perspective
Kevin Randle reacts to a 1998 Journal of Scientific Exploration paper by Jacques Vallee, available at Physical Analyses in Ten Cases of Unexplained Aerial Objects with Material Samples. Kevin objects to Vallee's methodology of including controversial examples in a study producing even preliminary conclusions. Note: Vallee and Garry Nolan et al's article in the January 2022 journal Progress in Aerospace Sciences entitled Improved Instrumental Techniques, Including Isotopic Analysis, Applicable to the Characterization of Unusual Materials with Potential Relevance to Aerospace Forensics emphasizes procedures and generates a negative conclusion about its focus, the 1977 Council Bluffs, Iowa case, which is also analyzed at some length in Vallee's solo 1998 effort. In EM Effects and Current UFO Sightings Kevin continues emphasizing recent interesting reports, and in Pilot Sightings he offers more old and new ones. Kevin's comments about the attitude in Washington came before Congress passed the FY 2022 National Defense Authorization Act, but he still seems guarded regarding progress in resolving the UFO conundrum. And Kevin's Halloween-inspired Flying Humans and Tall Whites is still a bit creepy. (WM)
Source & links: https://www.anomalist.com (scroll down to December 24)
while not from cedar rapids im from nearby in the land of drinkin,after near 5 milliontruck miles on the interstate heading for the west coast ive seen several uap one quite close.told by family dont worry its one of ours,having only read about a thousand of the tens of thousands of ufo books many of which(better ones i might add are yours,i have eliminated any with even the faintest connection to the military industrial complex.They seem to change their minds A LOT.as a life member of CUFOS i would defend the late TED PHILIPS research on trace cases as being much deeper than dr. vallees examination,further the Utah las vegas case of the early 60s which you so wonderfully covered is another example of denying eye witness testimony in favor of speculative dismissal for lack of concrete proof akin to okc,911,etc.Given the eyewitness testimony at kecksburg,and leslie keans excellent work at traversing the legal minefield only to be laughed at by the military in the face of substantial documentary evidence denied to exist by the military charged with defending against such threats,until some stray copy finds its way into the mainstream narrative, see rendlesham,Richard Russell, ad infinitum,I have looked pretty closely at the council bluffs affair,and wish to state,that many earlier cases lacked the technologically advanced methodology to be studied in a informative way,and if eye witness testimony is to be marginalized,particularly like the military has done with enthusiasm,as it searches for WMD amongst the purloined no longer available evidence as reported by those present time and again,one is presented with a binary choice which leads inevitably to denial,a luxury not all have the ability to enjoy..and how to deny a ton of red heat iron albeit high carbon type running across the ground on a weekend night when the local foundries are closed outside temps below freezing.witnesses arrive within minutes,some claim to have seen it fall! Indian lake aint the same paradigm,but has a strikingly similair government response, i realize im missing metaphors here, and mean no offense but also must conclude that eyewitness testimony encapsulates a reality undeniable to those who cannot afford the luxury of doubt.
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