Here is the information
about the Foo Fighter film that was taken in 1944 as a Soviet fighter attempts
to (or actually does) shoot down a Nazi bomber. I found the information at the
National UFO Reporting Center.
Following is the information
as reported there. I found it interesting but I also wonder if the orb is not a
tracer round from another aircraft not see on the film. If nothing else, it is
an interesting piece of film:
I [the original poster and not me] stumbled
across this video on YouTube while watching old WW2 dog-fights and lo and
behold, I found a video where there is clearly 2 Foo-Fighters that are clearly
visible in this video. There's no way in hell this is fake while this plane was
using a 16MM gun camera but for some reason nobody ever saw them on this video.
Most every Ufologist talks about Foo-Fighters and there's plenty of WW2 pilots
that said they saw them but other than some blurry pics, and believe me I've
searched, I've never seen such definitive proof than this video. Before I send
the video I need to tell you some things to observe because I've studied this
video to death. When you see the first craft enter the screen from the front
and go under and to the left of the BF-110 watch the pilots reaction. You can
clearly see his tracer rounds and his plane deviate to the left while he's
watching it go by. BTW, that's 3:44 seconds into the video. When you see the
next craft, it comes from the top right-hand corner of the screen and goes in
front of the bombers then almost does a 90 degree turn to the left and goes
right by the BF-110 on his left side. If you look when it enters the screen at
the top right-hand corner you will see that pilot's tracers rounds go from
hitting the bomber to his tracers flying wildly up and to right and he wasn't
shooting at the craft, it’s because the nose of the plane goes up because he
saw that craft and when the craft does a hard left turn, the exact thing
happens again. The nose of the plane turns left and his tracer rounds do the
same. BTW, that's 4:14 seconds into the video.
I'm figuring, depending on the
month that this happened somewhere around Estonia or Bucharest where the
Russians where advancing on the Germans because the dogfight was going on over
one of the seas which was either the Baltic or the Black sea. And if you watch
the beginning, there were flack guns shooting at the bombers but when the
BF-110 got behind them the flack guns refrained from firing. But that's just a
rough guess.
You can find the video on YouTube. The link starts the video just before the
object appears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZyJbSIFJn8&t=254s
As I say, this was
posted to the NUFORC website. I thought it of interest to those who visit here.
I will note that the information is as it was found with only a few minor
changes… a hyphen in right-hand and left-hand and the duplication of one word
was deleted.
6 comments:
i suspect these are just tracer rounds coming from the plane to the right (early in the video, you see a formation of three bombers). These are Soviet DB3's and they had a rear turret on top. If you go back to 3:55, you will see one of those tracer rounds coming towards the attacking ME-110. Normally, you don't see the tracer rounds going towards the attacking plane because they were at the rear of the round but I suspect that it could be seen from certain angles. The fact that the round is approaching the attacking aircraft can be identified because it tends to speed up as it gets closer to the camera. It also tends to get larger in size.
David Rudiak posted the following and I hit the wrong button. Following is David's comment.
"I found it interesting but I also wonder if the orb is not a tracer round from another aircraft not see on the film."
That's the main problem from my cursory examination. Where's the plane firing back? If it were gunners on the bombers, then the lights should appear to come from the direction of the bombers, but they don't. And why only one light at a time instead of one right after another if they were tracers? Also if you were looking at tracers being fired at you, i.e. head-on, would they necessarily be that visible or that discrete? Tracers from the POV of the firing plane typically look like streaks of light trailing behind the round, not discrete orbs, from my almost nonexistent experience. Anybody have any thoughts on
As the only one currently involved in this conversation who has been in a combat environment in which many, many tracers were being fired, including sitting in hot LZs and flying over parts of enemy territory, is that tracers do lots of strange things. If it is fired straight at you, you probably can't see it, but if it's fired at an angle, then you can. Coming at you they look very large. But they do burn out after four or five hundred yards. I will say that in real life they do look like orbs. It does depend on the film being used. So, I guess the observation stands... It could be a tracer fired by another aircraft that it not seen. The value of the film is that it is from WW II and it looks like some of the reports we have a Foo Fighters. I guess this is my somewhat ambivalent analysis because I really don't know for sure.
Doesn't anybody bother to look at the entire clip any more or do people just don't have the time to look at a video for less than a few seconds? If you go back to time 3:05 when the ME110 is approaching the formation, you can see that there are THREE DB3s. The ME-110 attacks the left most of the three and, as a result, the gun camera eventually only records that aircraft. The two Soviet bombers to the right (and no longer in the FOV) had a rear turret, which is probably where the tracer rounds are coming from. The "Foo Fighter" comes from the area where those bombers are located and it makes sense that it was from their gunners firing at the ME110.
My first thought was that the object in question is another aircraft that's been hit and is on fire.
For the first "orb", it appears at about 3:51 when all three bombers are in view. It appears from about halfway between and slightly above the two leftmost bombers. I don't see how a tracer round fired by any of these three bombers could appear from this position. I don't see any other planes, certainly not halfway between the 2 leftmost bombers. Then the "orb" seems to approach the POV attack plane from below its level and disappears off the bottom left of the screen after being visible for about 6 seconds. It is completely in isolation, another problem with it being a tracer. Why not multiple tracers fired one right after another, like the POV attack plane where the tracers appear every second or two and fade out in 2 seconds or less? The short duration would be in line with Kevin's statement that tracers typically fade out in 400 or 500 yards. But the "orb"/"tracer" in question lasts much longer than that.
For the second "orb", it appears at about 4:17 at the right edge of the screen, then takes about 6 seconds before it approaches the POV plane and disappears off the left edge of the screen, again completely in isolation. Conceivably it could be a tracer fired from one of the invisible bombers to the right no longer in view. But again, why in isolation and why does it last so long?
I don't have any problem with these "orbs" being explained as tracers, but I want them to behave like real tracers. In the first instance, where is the firing plane? The tracer has to have a source. In both instances, why are the tracers in isolation and why do they last so long? They are very unlike the many, successive, short-duration tracers being fired by the attack plane, which I am using for comparison.
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