Saturday, December 14, 2024

Drones: My Estimate of the Situation

For the last several days we have been talking about drones. At this point, it seems that we are relying more on rumor, speculation and misinformation. There have been several people interviewed and official spokespeople have been saying, things, sometime in direct contradiction of each other.

For some perspective on this, I will note that dozens, if not hundreds of drones have been seen over New Jersey and now those sightings have slipped into Pennsylvania and New York. There are several military installations in that general area. There are many videos of the drones seen in both daylight and at night. There are descriptions of drones that are relatively small, there are some described as six feet in diameter and then those are said to be the size of SUVs.

The Predator Drone. The size of an SUV? Suggestive of what some
are seeing over New Jersey and Pennsylvania?


You might say this began with the incursions around Langley Air Force Base recently and now migrated into other areas of the United States. And the Pentagon just reported that the drones, whatever they are, do not come from any of our adversaries in today’s world and they are not part of the US military.

After the incursions around Langley in December 2023, Christopher Mellon wrote an article wondering who was operating those mysterious drones that have been seen over Navy military exercises, around nuclear plants, and other critical operations. He mentioned that these intrusions by drones got so bad around Langley AFB that in response to the drones, aircraft at the base were moved to other, more secure locations.

Mellon wrote “Our government has had no success in determining where they are coming from or who is operating them. It is also surprising that not a single one has malfunctioned and been recovered despite extensive operations by large numbers of them over extended periods of time.”

Christopher Mellon


Air Force General Mark Kelly told reporters for the Wall Street Journal that one drone, was “roughly 20 feet long and flying at more than 100 miles an hour, at an altitude of roughly 3,000 to 4,000 feet. Other drones followed, one by one, sounding in the distance like a parade of lawn mowers.”

Adding to this, U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) Air Force Gen. Gregory M. Guillot told The War Zone that the Langley AFB incursions were just some of the more than 600 incursions reported over military installations in 2022.

He also said two other interesting things. One was that the he didn’t know if the drones had been had been tracked back to their recovery point or whether they could have been launched by a vessel off the coast. And two, he saw that NORAD’s responsibility for countering UAS was very limited to something that would be an attack of national consequence. He added that NORTHCOM had no responsibility or authority to take action, meaning they wouldn’t be intercepting them or trying to down one. He was saying that it was somebody else’s responsibility.

Surprisingly, he told The War Zone that all this activity led to the creation of a counter-drone experiment this week called Falcon Peak 2025, in which several companies will offer their solutions to counter these incursions.

Which I found interesting because, according to Mellon, these incursions had something of a history beginning in late February to early March, 2019. He mentioned, specifically, drones, displaying bright spotlights were seen repeatedly over Anderson Air Force Base on Guam. It seemed these drones were interested in a newly installed anti-ballistic missile system.

There is some indication that the Chinese might have been interested in learning about this system but there is no direct evidence of them deploying drones. The real problem with that is that none of the drones were brought down by American defensive systems. In other words, they operated with impunity.

There is, of course, proof of Chinese interest in what it happening in Canada and the United States. In February 2023, there was the great balloon flight that crossed parts of Alaska, Canada and the US. It was finally intercepted over the Atlantic Ocean and brought down. I often wondered why it wasn’t intercepted over some of the wide-open spaces in Canada or in the western and central parts of the US. It was apparently allowed to complete its mission, whatever that mission was, before it was destroyed.

And, not to put too fine a point on it, these drone incursions have been going on since, at least, 2019 and now, they have come up with a program that, apparently, will begin in 2025. Nothing like jumping on the problem and solving it in a timely manner.

But Guam and Anderson AFB were not the only target in 2019. In September, swarms of these drones were around the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant. The drones had flashing red and white lights. Again, these drones flew without hindrance or restriction and no identification was made. Robert Hastings, in his book UFOs and Nukes, made a study of these sorts of incursions in which security forces were unable to identify or down the objects flying over both military bases where atomic weapons were stored and the power plants that used atomic power.

In the latest go-around, we learned there is a report of a large drone, flying above 8000 feet, in violation of FAA rules and regulations. Drones have also been reported at altitudes between 24,000 - 28,000 feet. An orb was chased by an F-16 over a sensitive military base in New Jersey. That object vanished at an estimated Mach 3 and I will note that it was an estimate of its speed. These reports certainly are a threat to aerial navigation, and to national security but all we are hearing is talk about what they can do.

In fact, there seem to be laws or regulations that prevent any attempt to bring one down unless there is a threat. I’m not sure why there is talk of that. I would think that the drones operating above 400 feet would be a fair target since it is in violation of FAA regulations and is, therefore a threat to aerial navigation.

I’ll note here that the US military has drones that can operate at tens of thousands of feet above the ground. The Predator drone can hover high over the battlefield for hours and is virtually invisible from the ground. It is large enough to carry Hellfire Missiles and can be controlled from bases inside the United States while flying over targets on other continents. It is so quiet that it can’t be heard on the ground. In other words, we have the technology to do some of the things that the drones over New Jersey are reported to have done.

Given the growing concern over the drone flights that are now reported in New York as well as New Jersey and Pennsylvania, members of Congress were given a classified briefing on the ongoing problem with UAP, once known widely as UFOs. These drones are classified as UAP. Following that meeting, Congresswoman Nancy Mace said:

"We talked about several different UAPs that have been in the press or leaked. Most of those have been explained but there are ones that we discussed that are unexplained and they have a plan, they say, to disclose and declassify how they came to that conclusion and why they're still objects that are unanswered. There are certain shapes that are unexplained, that are in the air. I'm in a classified setting. I don't wanna cross over and disclose classified information but there are certain shapes consistently that are unexplained. Which is fascinating.”

The Pentagon was pushing back on the idea that some of the reports relate to off-world technology. Sabrina Singh, the DoD Deputy Press Secretary said, “To date the department has discovered no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activities or technology.”

This is, of course, the same song and dance that we have heard since 1947 when flying saucers entered the public consciousness. There were classified investigations and a near constant claim about the lack of crash recovered debris, which would answer some of the questions.

In contrast to that bleak statement, AARO’s director, Dr. Jon Kosloski has said, “There are interesting cases that I, with my physics and engineering background and time in the intelligence community, do not understand and I don’t know anybody else who understands.”

There have been more statements by officials that tell us nothing, other than to suggest that there is no reason for concern. One Pentagon spokesman said that many of the drone sightings were actually commercial and private aircraft that have been misidentified as drones. Of course, there are videos and photographs that prove that many the reports of drones are actually drones and many are flying in violation of the FAA regulations about drones. And we have the report of 600 sightings made over several months.

We now learn that California and Oregon have had there own troubles with these incursions. You can listen to one pilot’s report of seeing something strange here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UppitJ6E9tM&t=21s

I could go on, but I think the point is made. These sorts of activities have been going on for years with no real governmental or official response. There has been little in the way of investigation or interception of them. I’m not sure why the Pentagon has been unable to bring down some samples of these drones. All they do is tell us that these flights are not controlled by our adversaries in the world, they have suggested that they can’t jam the radio frequencies being used by the drones, and they seem to be able to evade our attempts to get our hands on one. This strikes me as another indication of our inability to properly respond to what is an obvious threat to our national security. We talk, we worry, but we do nothing other than provide weak statements suggesting there is nothing to worry about.

Given the response of the government, it is possible to believe that they do know what is going on. They tell us that it of no importance to national security, which makes no sense, unless they understand what is happening and actually do know the source of the drones. Their response screams that they do have the answers. It’s just they can’t do anything about it of maybe that they don’t want to. Getting a drone would generate more questions and it is clear to me, they simply don’t want to answer any of them. 

10 comments:

John Gosling said...

I'm struggling to think of this as anything but a combination of mass hysteria and drone owners getting in on the joke. If a state is behind this, and are seeking an intelligence return, they might want to consider switching off the lights, and if aliens, what possible aim is to be served? Having watched lots of the videos, I'm seeing nothing so far that cannot be explained in simple terms.

Joeschmoe said...

This could very well be a soft form of disclosure without official proclamation.

Louis Nicholson said...

Good analysis. I agree the Govt probably knows something but is not telling us. With all our technology, we should be able to easily determine what these objects are and where they come from, unless they actually ARE from another world. Maybe one will crash one day a la Roswell, but in a place and manner a bunch of us common folk can get to before the military does.

Robert Sheaffer said...

Maj. James McGaha (USAF Ret) has had some 'drone encounters' in his observatories (!!). He knows exactly what they are and, in some cases, where they come from (Ft. Huachuca, AZ).
https://badufos.blogspot.com/2024/12/drone-madness-drones-vs-astronomers.html

Scotland said...

I get the feeling that this is us conducting some sort of exercise and for some reason they’re doing it openly. There may be a legitimate reason for why they’re doing it, testing different drone assets to see how the public reacts, perhaps this could be a test to provoke public conversation about drones and the threat that they pose. Whatever the reason, I do not think that we’re gonna find out. I often wonder if a lot of so-called UFO flaps are just that, military exercises that are lost to history. Additionally, this may also explain why we haven’t taken down the drones, if they are ours why take them down? (Although I suppose if they did take them down, that could also be a part of the exercise too) Last but not least I don’t really believe that this stuff is aliens or adversaries. I don’t think aliens would have navigational lights on their vehicles and I don’t think the government would allow adversaries to fly around New Jersey weeks upon weeks. Also, many of the so-called drone sightings are just mistaken, aircraft, and helicopters civilian wise, which does raise questions about the average public critical thinking skills. I do believe some people are seeing drones, but how many drones are actually up there I simply don’t know. Just some thoughts I had.

orgasmictomato said...

All speculation, no proof.... They are not "drones" unless you have a sample without a pilot.. Fact. If you are all speculating, well here is my take from research since 2009 on the subject of dimensional entities in our sky. As you are not allowing photographs here as I could substantiate my claims... The interdimensional craft and entities ( Anunnaki and creation species ) of at least 5 different representatives. are displaying to enlighten a public of denier's the opportunity to experience for themselves the sightings of what humans are now calling UAP's / now drones? For more than 3 weeks in UK, New Jersey now Germany.. Russia are keeping quiet about it... This is a more likely assumption and will be seen to be accurate soon... Take note:- anti-drone tech - useless... FLIR cameras - useless as no heat signature... They can mimic human made craft and similar lighting -fact. They also can "blink out / go dark" as they dimensionally shift when necessary. You as simple moulded humanoids do not think outside the box to have the capacity to allow yourselves to imagine, let alone understand these craft, technologies or entities... FACT. Flickr.com/orgasmictomato FRJS Research Australia...

jlmet said...

I haven't seen a single video of a "drone" during all this madness. I've seen aircraft, helicopters & in one instance, the planet Venus, all called drones! I saw videos yesterday of two jet aircraft either on approach or having just departed from an airport, with engines rumbling, but still reported as drones. Several videos I've seen are so obviously aircraft, with wings, fuselage & standard aviation lighting, that you almost have to question the sanity of the people who recorded them.

Bob Koford said...

The number of incidents is alarming, but as the Chinese drone failures reported recently also demonstrate, it should be a simple thing to down the drones in US. The fact that they won't or can't is also strange.

GaryRiet said...

I was waiting for your response to all this! Monday December 9th around 1930 I saw 7 UAS's 400-500' altitude spaced about 1/2 to 3/4 miles apart in my backyard. They had to be about 1/4 away over Rt9 in Barnegat. Port side had a Red and White light with a flashing Red light on the nose, very quiet. Then i went to the Nature Reserve and saw 5 more, ran to the Bay Beach and saw 4 more. All the same configuration. The next night we saw them coming from the ocean passing Barnegat Lighthouse

KRandle said...

Sorry orgasmictomoato but there are pictures of the drones, including some taken in daylight. While the majority might will be misidentifications, that doesn't eliminate the fact that many sightings are of drones.