Saturday, February 08, 2025

Roswell, Sheridan Cavitt and Project Mogul

 

As I mentioned on Coast-to-Coast AM recently, I found another of those one-off UFO magazines that attempts to capitalize on the interest in alien visitation. I looked at the Roswell entry and noticed they mentioned the Project Mogul nonsense. I have covered this at length on this blog and in my recent books about the Roswell crash/retrieval. I’ll make one quick point here. Well, maybe two…

First, Flight No. 4, listed as the culprit here, that is, this flight was the one that allegedly scattered the debris for Mack Brazel to find was not launched. The documentation tells us that the flight was canceled. I do not understand how this documentation can be overlooked. If the flight didn’t fly, it did not scatter the debris.

There is a second point. According to what Charles Moore, one of the engineers who worked on the project back in 1947, told me, Flight No. 4, was configured just like Flight No. 5. While there is no schematic for Flight No. 4 (reinforcing the idea that it didn’t fly), we have the schematic for Flight No. 5, courtesy of the Air Force investigation of the Roswell case. There were no rawin radar targets on that flight, which raises the question, “Where did the rawin target photographed in General Ramey’s office originate?” It certainly didn’t come from Roswell.

Charles Moore reviewing winds aloft data at the school
library in Socorro. Photo by Kevin randle


Second, the testimony of Sheridan Cavitt, the CIC officer in Roswell at the time, carries great weight. However, what Cavitt told Don Schmitt and me when we met him, he wasn’t even in Roswell at the time. Later, he would tell Don and me, that he was too busy with security investigations to be chasing weather balloons.

I did ask him, given that the description of the officer who accompanied Jesse Marcel, Sr. out to the debris, meaning he was a West Texas boy who could ride horses, about his denial. He said that it sounded like him, but he insisted that he had not gone to the debris field.

Now, this could be boiled down to me spreading tales, but there is documentation about this. In the Air Force report, The Roswell Report: Fact vs Fiction in the New Mexico Desert, Cavitt’s interview conducted by Colonel Richard Weaver is published. Weaver asked about the incident that happened during the early part of July. Cavitt responded:

We went out to this site. There were no, as I understand, check points or anything like that (going through guards and that sort of garbage) we went out there and we found it. It was a small amount of, as I recall, bamboo sticks, reflective sort of material that would, well at first glance, you would probably think it was aluminum foil… I do not remember if Marcel was there or not on the site. He could have been. We took it back to the intelligence room… in the CIC office.

RW: What did you think it was when you recovered it?

SC: I thought it was a weather balloon.

I always wonder why, if Cavitt had identified the material while still on the ranch, he hadn’t communicated this rather important piece of intelligence to Colonel Blanchard and saved him the embarrassment of telling the world they had recovered a flying saucer… but I digress.

I have a letter, written by Cavitt to Doyle Rees, one time officer in charge of the CIC office in Albuquerque, on December 6, 1989. He was answering a letter from Rees, which I think was generated by the original Unsolved Mysteries show on Roswell that had aired several weeks earlier. I think this because that show is mentioned in the letter.

In the letter, Cavitt wrote, “…Marcel was a smart man; a good friend, a Louisiana Cajun, who was prone to be excitable, and, in this case wrong in that Cavitt had been along on that caper.”

Sheridan Cavitt interview in Arizona with Kevin Randle and
Don Schmitt. Photo by Kevin Randle


I don’t know why Cavitt would lie to Rees, unless had not been the senior officer of the CIC in the area at the time, and therefore, hadn’t been read into the crash when he, Rees, arrived in Albuquerque. The point is that Cavitt told fellow CIC officer, Rees, he hadn’t been there, but then told Weaver that not only was he there, he recognized the debris as that from a weather balloon…

Of course, that still doesn’t explain the picture of the rawin target taken in Ramey’s office, that was published on July 9, 1947, for all the world to see. Where did that debris originate?

Roger Ramey and Thomas DuBose with the remains of a rawin target. Since there
were no rawin targets on the early flights of Mogul balloons, the question
 is where did the rawin originate?


But, of course, that’s fine because we all know that it was really part of Project Mogul…

(Blogger’s Note: For those interested in a comprehensive analysis of the Project Mogul explanation, I recommend Roswell in the 21st Century. This provides more evidence that Project Mogul was not a part of this story until injected into it in the late 1980s.)

4 comments:

John Steiger said...

Kevin: As to where the rawin target photographed in General Ramey’s office originated, I do not know. If I did know or suspected I knew its origin, I have now forgotten from where.

However, I have not forgotten the significant insight one can discern from the presence of the rawin target in Ramey’s office. The military attempted to cover-up the truth about the importance of the Roswell UFO crash ... but the military failed in that attempt. Instead, through the determined efforts of investigators such as yourself, Don Schmitt, Tom Carey, and yes, even Stanton Friedman (!), the truth about the military’s attempted cover-up has been revealed. Thank you very much for all your hard work through the years.

Spartacus01 said...

Kevin,

Has Karl Pflock ever addressed your objections regarding the infeasibility of Project Mogul as a valid explanation for Roswell? Since he was one of the main proponents of the Mogul hypothesis, I am curious to know if he ever addressed the fact that Flight No.4 was canceled, along with all the circumstantial evidence indicating that Mogul could not have been responsible for the events at Roswell.

Travis Dalton said...

The Roswell incident was either something very extraordinary or one of the most embarrassing levels of incompetence in our militaries history not just by Jesse Marcel SR but by multiple military personnel including Col. Blanchard. There's no way someone would think a fallen mogul balloon was an alien spaceship with the ordinary material that was used. You might not know what the object was or it's purpose but your mind would not jump to an alien spaceship crash.

David Rudiak said...

As to where Ramey’s radar target (RAWIN) came from, it could have come from a large number of places, including from Fort Worth AAF itself. A RAWIN demonstration was carried out at the base 2 days later with a four-man crew, just like what happened the previous day at Alamogordo. This may have included the same guy Kevin ran into many years later (before he began investigating Roswell) saying he was a part of a balloon launching crew going around doing these demos to convince people that was what Roswell was about. See: www.roswellproof.com/FWSTJuly11.html

Ramey's weather officer Irving Newton (whom Ramey ordered to his office to definitively ID the weather balloon there for the press) was quoted in AP news stories saying they were used by 80 weather stations in the country and it could have come from any one of them. (When I spoke to Newton back in 2000, he was a big Roswell saucer skeptic, but also didn't think what he saw had anything to do with Mogul; it was just an ordinary weather balloon/RAWIN and came from somewhere else.) Here's another quote carried by Hearst paper wire service INS:

(Syracuse Herald-Journal)
"AN OFFICER [Newton probably] at the Fort Worth field said, 'about four a day go up from every Army weather station in the country' The spokesman added: 'This type of balloon is also used by many local weather stations.'"

I can't verify 80 stations used them, but I have been able to verify about a dozen, which I have documented here:

www.roswellproof.com/balloon_use.html

See also other RAWIN demonstrations right after Roswell with the common theme that this is what was causing the flying saucer sightings:

www.roswellproof.com/balloondemos.html

It was no secret that the military was running a saucer debunkery campaign after Ramey's weather balloon debunkery, as, e.g., stated in the opening sentence of United Press' main Roswell story July 9: "Reports of flying saucers whizzing through the sky fell off sharply today as the Army and Navy began a concentrated campaign to stop the rumors." More details of the balloon debunkery campaign at:

www.roswellproof.com/militarydebunk.html

[I believe this is also reflected at the end of the Ramey memo which I think reads that the CIC (Army counter-intelligence corp) was responsible for the infamous press release from Roswell that they had a flying disc and thought Ramey's “PR of weather balloons” would work better if they also used Navy and Army (“LAND”) RAWIN demonstration teams.]

Since this was the Army AIR FORCE, even if they had no RAWINS at Fort Worth, it would only take 2 or 3 hours to fly one in from some place close by that did have them (such as Alamogordo or Fort Sill). Ironically I think it could even have come from Roswell on Marcel's plane along with the real debris he recovered from the field. Roswell's 1st Air Transport Unit ("Green Hornets") ran the air supply line during Operation Crossroads the previous year (Bikini Island A-bomb tests), which made extensive use of the RAWINS. I wouldn't be surprised if there were still some left over at Roswell from the tests, but this is just speculation.