Friday, February 27, 2026

Did the Balloon Debris Ever Reach Wright-Patterson AFB?

 

David Rudiak

Every once in a while, something new about the Roswell case pops up. David Rudiak was making a somewhat routine search of the newspapers from July 1947 and found the following from the Dayton Hearld for July 9. You might say that it provides a different perspective on our ongoing search for evidence about the Roswell events.

According to the newspaper, under the headline, “Field Test ‘Out’ On ‘Flying Disc.’”

Wright Field will not receive the weather device which for a while yesterday was believed to be a flying disc.

Plans to send the object here for study were changed when the identification was made.

The office of technical intelligence received the following message from headquarters of the Army Air Forces this morning:

“In view of positive identification of this object as a Rawin high altitude sounding device (radar target) it appears unnecessary to forward it to you.”

The FBI telex that went out from Fort Worth on the evening of July 8, was based on an interview of Major Curtan (who, in reality, was Major Kirton) who told the FBI agent that the object was “hexagonal in shape and was suspended from a ballon (sic) by cable, which ballon (sic) was approximately twenty feet in diameter… Disc and balloon being transported to Wright Field by special plane for examin[ation].”

To me, the news article suggests that the material was not sent on to Wright Field because it was identified in Fort Worth as a common weather balloon and not an alien space craft. There was no reason to send it to Wright Field with the identification and photographs made in Fort Worth. That would suggest that the interviews conducted by the Air Force in 1994 reflected poor memory about the event but were important because they underscored the Mogul explanation.

The article says the balloon and the rawin
target were not sent on to Wright-Pat.

And, I suppose the skeptics will say that it was just one more way to cover up the super-secret Mogul project. Why bother with follow up interviews or ask to see the balloon and rawin target at Wright Field because it was identified as just a common balloon and radar target?

But looking at the interviews conducted by the Air Force, several of the retired officers were asked, specifically, about a cover up. Albert Trakowski, told Colonel Jeffrey L. Butler and First Lieutenant James McAndrew, “Concerning a cover story for the project Mogul, there was no planned cover story. I do not recall any documentation nor any efforts develop a cover story even though security for Mogul was of great concern.”

And, Trakowski said, “I became aware of this only after Colonel [Marcellus] Duffy called me from Wright Field from his home. This was just an informational call, he just wanted to let me know that someone had come to him with some debris from New Mexico and he said, ‘this sure looked like some of the stuff that you launched from Alamogordo.’ Duffy was very familiar with the various apparatus and materials for the project, so if he said that it was debris from the project, I’m sure that’s what it was. He was not concerned with a breach of security for the project.”

What we have here, then, are Trakowski and Athelstan F. Spilhaus, relating what Colonel Duffy might have done. Spilhaus wrote, “All the NYU personnel had left Alomogordo [sic] when the ‘material’ was brought in – someone stated that it may have been Col Duffy’s and therefore was sent to him at Wright-Patterson – not because it was extraterrestrial. It is a logical reason to send it (the debris from the desert) there – not because it was special – Col Duffy was a fine officer and I’m sure he’d recognize it.”

Trakowski and Spilhaus, as second-hand witnesses, were providing information about the debris being forwarded to Wright Field, but suggesting it was just a few samples. Yet we have first-hand testimony from eyewitnesses suggesting more than just a few scraps of the material hand carried to Wright Pat. In fact, crates had been constructed to house the debris for the trip out of Roswell.

There were already pictures of Jesse Marcel, Roger Ramey and Thomas Dubose published in the newspapers with that balloon and target. Sort of a “Nothing to see here. Move along,” ploy. I mean, who, really thought it was an alien spacecraft in those pictures until Jesse Marcel began talking about it in those terms in 1978, so long after the event.

But since the balloon experiments being conducted in New Mexico weren’t classified, though there seemed to be a great deal of concern about possible security breaches of the ultimate purpose. The next day, that is July 10, more pictures of the balloons and rawin targets were published in newspapers around the country. You must wonder what those officers interviewed in 1994 were talking about given the documentation from 1947.

What we do have is the newspaper article that David found, telling us that the flight to Wright Field was cancelled, and the second-hand memories of two of those involved in some fashion with Mogul, telling us that Duffy had identified it. This really boils down to which of the witnesses to you care to believe. But I will note that if General Ramey and his weather officer, Warrant Officer Irving Newton, had already identified the material and given that identification to the press, what purpose would be served by sending it on to Duffy at Wright Field?

3 comments:

David Rudiak said...

There would be two reasons to give the local Dayton newspaper a story that the debris was not sent on to Wright Field:
1. There really was "nothing-to-see-here." The debris was not exotic, just balloon junk that was identified as such, so a mundane "dog bites man" story.
2. There was a whole lot of "something-to-see-here." The debris was not just exotic but history-altering. But tell the newspaper it was nothing important as part of the cover story. Why get the local newspaper's curiosity up if they were inquiring about the nationally reported shipment of Roswell debris to Wright?

Now I might note here that the two local Dayton newspapers DID seem to keep an eye on what was happening at Wright Field. Just 10 days later the two papers may very well have gotten their teeth a little bit into an important story that I can't find anywhere else. On July 18, 1947, there was a very strange, high-powered meeting at Wright Field by the Army Air Force's top people (and I mean TOP, TOP PEOPLE!!!!), supposedly about "air materiel problems."

Who was at the meeting? AAF Chief of Staff and vice C/S Generals Carl Spaatz and Hoyt Vandenberg, Stuart Symington, Secretary of the AAF (soon to be Secretary of the new USAF), Gen. Nathan Twining, C/S of the Air Materiel Command at Wright (future USAF C/S and head of Joint Chiefs), Gen. Benjamin Chidlaw, Deputy head of engineering at Wright (future head of the Air Defense Command), Gen. William Kepner, former head of the 8th AAF (Gen. Ramey's current command) and currently the head of the AAF's Atomic Energy Division and Special Weapons Group at the Pentagon.

The Dayton Daily News also reported that Symington had defied doctor's orders to rest and had instead flown in from St. Louis. At a press conference that followed, Twining, Symington, and Spaatz said nothing about "air materiel problems", instead talking about how the planned unification of the military branches was going to save a lot of money. Spaatz also said they had a lot invested in Wright Field and it would remain the nation's No. 1 aeronautical research facility. Symington said he knew nothing about his rumored appointment to be the new Secretary of the USAF.

I could write a long piece about connections of all these men to the UFO question and Roswell. E.g., both Twining and Chidlaw had been in New Mexico from July 7-11. Gen. Dubose had named Chidlaw as being the ultimate recipient at Wright of a secret shipment of Roswell crash debris Dubose had handled on July 6. Twining, of course, wrote the infamous Twining memo 2 months later declaring flying discs as real and urging a wide-spread R&D back-engineering effort. When Chidlaw soon became C/O of the AMC replacing Twining, he was the one who directed the formation of Project Sign to investigate the saucers.

At the time of Roswell, Vandenberg was running things at the Pentagon while Spaatz was supposedly fishing in Medford, Oregon, on vacation. But Spaatz instead went off to San Antonio, Tex., supposedly to do some deep-sea fishing near Corpus Christi. Various San Antonio newspaper items had him in and out of San Antonio between July 9 and 12 before returning to Washington on July 13. San Antonio was and is notable for having the largest concentration of medical treatment and R&D facilities in the military. This would be one logical place to carry out autopsies. (See: "Where was Gen. Spaatz?: www.roswellproof.com/vandenberg.html#anchor_57)

And Gen. Kepner at the time was the AF's expert in atomic weapons. So what was this unusual meeting at Wright Field 10 days after Roswell? Was it really necessary for all this Air Force star power to hold a meeting at Wright to discuss mere "air materiel problems," including Symington defying doctor's orders to attend? It strikes me this meeting was about something much more urgent and important. ( More discussion on this at: www.roswellproof.com/vandenberg.html#anchor_59 )

Dr. Okuma said...

Hmmm. That is the first I have ever heard of that contemporaneous article in the Dayton newspaper. That just goes to show that sometimes when you think you know everything about a subject, something new comes to light. Thank you, Kevin (and David) for reporting this.

David Rudiak said...

1. Marcel said he was ordered at Roswell to accompany debris to Wright Field, first stopping at Fort Worth to show Gen. Ramey. But Ramey pulled him from the flight, telling him they would take care of it from there and he should go back to Roswell.

2. Sgt. Robert Porter on the Roswell/Fort Worth flight with Marcel, said that when they arrived in Fort Worth, a guard was posted first before transferring the debris to ANOTHER plane bound for Wright Field.

3. The FBI in Dallas was informed by phone by HQ 8th AAF at Fort Worth that the purported Roswell flying disc was hexagonal in shape and suspended from a balloon, or, in other words, it resembled “a high-altitude weather balloon with a radar reflector…” But adding, that Wright Field in a phone conversation with 8th HQ disagreed. “Disc and balloon being transported by special plane for examination.” Time of the FBI telegram was 6:17 EST, or 5:17 in Dallas/Fort Worth.

4. ABC Radio News at 10:00 pm EDT said that the “flying disc” had been sent to Wright Field for further inspection. Their correspondent in Chicago reported that. “Brigadier General Roger Ramey says that it is being shipped by air to the AAF research center at Wright Field, Ohio.” Then adding, he had just talked to officials at Wright Field who told him “that they expect the so-called flying saucer to be delivered there, but that it hasn't arrived as yet.”

www.roswellproof.com/ABC_News_July8.html

5. Most newspapers from July 8 were published too late to carry the supposed 100% identification of the flying disc being a weather balloon and Ramey then supposedly cancelling the flight to Wright Field. Ramey cancelling the flight therefore wasn’t reported until the next day in various press stories such as AP, Reuters, and the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

As Kevin noted, the Air Force in 1994 used the testimony of Mogul head Col. Albert Trakowski that he had spoken by phone with his predecessor at Mogul, Col. Marcellus Duffy. Duffy claimed he was awakened in the middle of the night at his home at Wright Field to identify debris brought in from New Mexico. First, the AF acknowledged the FBI telegram and the Trakowski/Duffy story to indicate there HAD been a flight to Wright Field of Roswell debris. Then went on to claim that Duffy positively IDd it as coming from Project Mogul. Case closed.

But the whole story is full of holes. For one, there is a civilian telegram from the evening of July 8 where a reporter was told to contact Duffy for more information, NOT at Wright Field, but at Spring Lake N.J., HQ of the Mogul Project. So was Duffy even at Wright Field? If he wasn’t, then obviously he saw nothing.

Another major hole is that Duffy late in life wrote two letter to researcher and Roswell debunker Robert Todd about what he had supposedly viewed. Debunker Karl Pflock was also aware of the letters, as was Mogul engineer Charles Moore. The Air Force debunkers likewise knew about the letters. So why didn’t they use them if they were damning evidence in favor of Project Mogul explaining Roswell? The reason became evident when Moore and Pflock in their books quoted partially from the letters. Duffy never said he saw debris from Project Mogul. Instead he said it could have been any number of things, he wasn’t sure. Duffy helped invent the damn radar targets. If anyone could readily identify one, he would be the one. Yet he was highly ambiguous about what he allegedly viewed. For a more detailed discussion: www.roswellproof.com/RoswellSummary11.html “The Col. Duffy Story -- Was a Mogul Balloon Really Identified?”